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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://minnahong.com/2009/06/30/senator-al-franken-bitchez/comment-page-1/#comment-840</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 07:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Greg&lt;/b&gt;, I&#039;m chuckling over your last line.  I wish I had as much faith as you do in our government and our country.  I really do as it would be much easier for me to deal with the idiocies of both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Greg</b>, I&#8217;m chuckling over your last line.  I wish I had as much faith as you do in our government and our country.  I really do as it would be much easier for me to deal with the idiocies of both.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory</title>
		<link>http://minnahong.com/2009/06/30/senator-al-franken-bitchez/comment-page-1/#comment-839</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 05:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;when you get right down to it, you are an optimist. &lt;/i&gt;

I suppose I am at that.  I have great faith in this country and its system of government -- even if that faith is that a lot of the processes are going to be maddening.  (I&#039;m reminded of what Churchill said about democracy being the worst form of government, except for all the others.)  

But if I&#039;m going to pay to see Mitch McConnell bitten, it&#039;d have to be by rabid weasels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>when you get right down to it, you are an optimist. </i></p>
<p>I suppose I am at that.  I have great faith in this country and its system of government &#8212; even if that faith is that a lot of the processes are going to be maddening.  (I&#8217;m reminded of what Churchill said about democracy being the worst form of government, except for all the others.)  </p>
<p>But if I&#8217;m going to pay to see Mitch McConnell bitten, it&#8217;d have to be by rabid weasels.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://minnahong.com/2009/06/30/senator-al-franken-bitchez/comment-page-1/#comment-838</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 05:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Greg&lt;/b&gt;, when you get right down to it, you are an optimist.  I find that refreshing.  I hope that Snowe and Collins (law firm!) will find it easier to say, &quot;Whatever, Mitch.  Bite me.&quot;  Heh.  I would pay to see that, matter of fact.

&lt;b&gt;whabs&lt;/b&gt;, you must never have heard of IOKIYAR (It&#039;s ok if you&#039;re a Republican); it absolves them from everything.  

I skimmed the VF article.  I have very little appetite for La Palina these days.  The fact that she is still considered a major candidate for 2012 (along with Ratface Pawlenty) depresses the hell out of me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Greg</b>, when you get right down to it, you are an optimist.  I find that refreshing.  I hope that Snowe and Collins (law firm!) will find it easier to say, &#8220;Whatever, Mitch.  Bite me.&#8221;  Heh.  I would pay to see that, matter of fact.</p>
<p><b>whabs</b>, you must never have heard of IOKIYAR (It&#8217;s ok if you&#8217;re a Republican); it absolves them from everything.  </p>
<p>I skimmed the VF article.  I have very little appetite for La Palina these days.  The fact that she is still considered a major candidate for 2012 (along with Ratface Pawlenty) depresses the hell out of me.</p>
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		<title>By: SillyWhabbit</title>
		<link>http://minnahong.com/2009/06/30/senator-al-franken-bitchez/comment-page-1/#comment-836</link>
		<dc:creator>SillyWhabbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Reagan was just a Hollywood actor. BFD!
Gimme a break. I&#039;m so sick of hypocrisy I can&#039;t see straight.
And OH!!! Speaking of kicking ass, did you read the VF article about The Gash?
I want the NEXT issue to see how many Gash-heads exercise their incredible gift of literacy.
Once again may I kick up my heals? This time I say as Minna says.
YAY! Franken! Woot Woot!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Reagan was just a Hollywood actor. BFD!<br />
Gimme a break. I&#8217;m so sick of hypocrisy I can&#8217;t see straight.<br />
And OH!!! Speaking of kicking ass, did you read the VF article about The Gash?<br />
I want the NEXT issue to see how many Gash-heads exercise their incredible gift of literacy.<br />
Once again may I kick up my heals? This time I say as Minna says.<br />
YAY! Franken! Woot Woot!!</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or that it wouldn&#039;t matter if they didn&#039;t vote for cloture because it was going to fail anyway. 

Speaking of centrist Republicans -- I keep forgetting there is such an animal -- I also wonder if the Magic 60 makes GOP party discipline a little less effective, and good old fashioned horse trading a little more likely.  If the so-called &quot;60 vote requirement to pass legislation&quot; is more or less a given, and Republican obstructionism less effective, maybe Snowe or one of the few others might be induced to actually support the kind of mildly progressive legislation the Democratic Senate is likely to produce.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or that it wouldn&#8217;t matter if they didn&#8217;t vote for cloture because it was going to fail anyway. </p>
<p>Speaking of centrist Republicans &#8212; I keep forgetting there is such an animal &#8212; I also wonder if the Magic 60 makes GOP party discipline a little less effective, and good old fashioned horse trading a little more likely.  If the so-called &#8220;60 vote requirement to pass legislation&#8221; is more or less a given, and Republican obstructionism less effective, maybe Snowe or one of the few others might be induced to actually support the kind of mildly progressive legislation the Democratic Senate is likely to produce.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 04:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Greg&lt;/b&gt;,  hm.  Interesting.  I never thought of the fact that Bayh and the rest can&#039;t now claim that they HAVE to work with the centrist Republicans because there are 60 Democrats.  Ooooh, I like using that as a weapon against the Blue Dawgs, but I highly doubt that Reid will use it.  Pelosi, on the other hand, would have no problems whipping the Dawgs into shape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Greg</b>,  hm.  Interesting.  I never thought of the fact that Bayh and the rest can&#8217;t now claim that they HAVE to work with the centrist Republicans because there are 60 Democrats.  Ooooh, I like using that as a weapon against the Blue Dawgs, but I highly doubt that Reid will use it.  Pelosi, on the other hand, would have no problems whipping the Dawgs into shape.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 04:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I don’t see 60 as a done deal, not given how the Blue Dawgs vote. &lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t either, given the Blue Dogs and Reid&#039;s obvious weakness.  But having the potential for 60 votes, I think, gives the Democrats a lot less cover.  It didn&#039;t matter all that much if Evan Bayh voted with the Republicans on cloture if the Democrats didn&#039;t have 60 even with Bayh&#039;s vote.  But now, Bayh&#039;s vote is going to matter.  He&#039;ll probably demand goodies for the companies his wife helps run, but on the other hand, if Bayh or one of the other Blue Dogs blows a key vote, they can&#039;t blame the Republicans for the failure, and so there could be more pressure on.  I just wish I could see Reid really applying that pressure. 

&lt;i&gt;Still, it’s always better to have one steady progressive vote than have to bargain for a shaky centrist or Republican vote.&lt;/i&gt;

Exactly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I don’t see 60 as a done deal, not given how the Blue Dawgs vote. </i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t either, given the Blue Dogs and Reid&#8217;s obvious weakness.  But having the potential for 60 votes, I think, gives the Democrats a lot less cover.  It didn&#8217;t matter all that much if Evan Bayh voted with the Republicans on cloture if the Democrats didn&#8217;t have 60 even with Bayh&#8217;s vote.  But now, Bayh&#8217;s vote is going to matter.  He&#8217;ll probably demand goodies for the companies his wife helps run, but on the other hand, if Bayh or one of the other Blue Dogs blows a key vote, they can&#8217;t blame the Republicans for the failure, and so there could be more pressure on.  I just wish I could see Reid really applying that pressure. </p>
<p><i>Still, it’s always better to have one steady progressive vote than have to bargain for a shaky centrist or Republican vote.</i></p>
<p>Exactly.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://minnahong.com/2009/06/30/senator-al-franken-bitchez/comment-page-1/#comment-832</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 04:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;whabs&lt;/b&gt;, it&#039;s been a long, slow haul, but we are finally there.  Almost.  I know a lot on the right are incensed by the &#039;clown&#039; (their word) getting to be a member of the august body that is the Senate (yeah, right), but he is a thoughtful, intelligent man who is quite serious about doing something good for the state of MN.  And yeah, Paul Wellstone is smiling on this day.  His seat is in good hands (well, at least better).  

&lt;b&gt;Alex&lt;/b&gt;, more and more buzz out of MN is that Coleman has his eye on the governor&#039;s job, so he had to bow out now.  

&lt;b&gt;Greg&lt;/b&gt;, I don&#039;t see 60 as a done deal, not given how the Blue Dawgs vote.  Still, it&#039;s always better to have one steady progressive vote than have to bargain for a shaky centrist or Republican vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>whabs</b>, it&#8217;s been a long, slow haul, but we are finally there.  Almost.  I know a lot on the right are incensed by the &#8216;clown&#8217; (their word) getting to be a member of the august body that is the Senate (yeah, right), but he is a thoughtful, intelligent man who is quite serious about doing something good for the state of MN.  And yeah, Paul Wellstone is smiling on this day.  His seat is in good hands (well, at least better).  </p>
<p><b>Alex</b>, more and more buzz out of MN is that Coleman has his eye on the governor&#8217;s job, so he had to bow out now.  </p>
<p><b>Greg</b>, I don&#8217;t see 60 as a done deal, not given how the Blue Dawgs vote.  Still, it&#8217;s always better to have one steady progressive vote than have to bargain for a shaky centrist or Republican vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I also know that if Reid had seated Franken earlier, there would have been cries of partisan. You know what? So what? &lt;/i&gt;

I do think it&#039;s a shame that Reid seems to be more preoccupied with keeping Mitch McConnell happy than members of his own party and caucus. 

Which makes now a lot more interesting -- now Reid technically doesn&#039;t need a single Republican vote to overcome their routine obstructionism (or as the so-called &quot;liberal media&quot; calls it, the 60-vote requirement for getting legislation passed) as long as the Dems hold together, so any failures are going to be squarely on him.  

That is, they already were, but it&#039;ll be a lot harder to shrug and blame the Republicans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I also know that if Reid had seated Franken earlier, there would have been cries of partisan. You know what? So what? </i></p>
<p>I do think it&#8217;s a shame that Reid seems to be more preoccupied with keeping Mitch McConnell happy than members of his own party and caucus. </p>
<p>Which makes now a lot more interesting &#8212; now Reid technically doesn&#8217;t need a single Republican vote to overcome their routine obstructionism (or as the so-called &#8220;liberal media&#8221; calls it, the 60-vote requirement for getting legislation passed) as long as the Dems hold together, so any failures are going to be squarely on him.  </p>
<p>That is, they already were, but it&#8217;ll be a lot harder to shrug and blame the Republicans.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woot!  (As they say)

I&#039;m a little surprised Norm didn&#039;t keep fighting... but maybe he recognized that he was ultimately just hurting himself (or maybe the national GOP finally decided to cut their losses).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woot!  (As they say)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a little surprised Norm didn&#8217;t keep fighting&#8230; but maybe he recognized that he was ultimately just hurting himself (or maybe the national GOP finally decided to cut their losses).</p>
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